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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » [R] Hogfather cast list.
| [R] Hogfather cast list. [message #261010] |
So, 30 April 2006 21:42 |
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Joss Ackland! And David Warner!!
http://www.c21media.net/news/detail.asp?area=4&article=3 0148
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Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"[Wolverine]'s in every book. I think he just joined
the JLA, and for some reason he's in the revised
Penguin edition of Little Dorrit." -Joss Whedon
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| Re: [R] Hogfather cast list. [message #261049 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 13:10 |
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Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> Joss Ackland! And David Warner!!
>
> http://www.c21media.net/news/detail.asp?area=4&article=3 0148
I did Google image searches for all the actors named (the only one I
_know_ is Jason) and here's what I came up with:
http://www.nndb.com/people/814/000101511/
http://www.newspapersoc.org.uk/Documents/Events&Awards/L NW-05/quotes.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/hustle/photogallery_marc_warren.s html
http://www.my-wc.com/celebs/david_warner/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/n/nicholascraigsi n_1299002314.shtml
I've tried to choose the best photographs I can find in light of the
attributed roles.
Adrian.
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| Re: [R] Hogfather cast list. [message #261075 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 20:41 |
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Il Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:42:38 +0000, Daibhid Ceanaideach ha scritto:
> Joss Ackland! And David Warner!!
>
> http://www.c21media.net/news/detail.asp?area=4&article=3 0148
It does not say who is going to play Susan ...
> ...
> -Joss Whedon
SMG would have been a decent Susan, I think ...
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| Re: [R] Hogfather cast list. [message #261076 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 20:44 |
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On Mon, 01 May 2006 20:41:05 +0200, Francesco Bochicchio
<bockman [at] virgilio.it> wrote:
<snip>
>It does not say who is going to play Susan ...
>
>> ...
>> -Joss Whedon
>
>SMG would have been a decent Susan, I think ...
>
>
>
I dunno, we had this debate in the OU pratchett confernce, I'd go for
Chirstina Ricci (circa adams family stylee), or perhaps Thora Birch
(just a reprise of her characters in The Hole and American Beauty.
Didn't Terry give the impression that Susan is not THAT attractive? so
perhaps I've disqualified both my candidates ah well. BTW anyone know
who's playing the voice of death? I beleive Ian Richardson is playing
the "guy in costume" bit (per imdb) but I'm not sure who's doing the
voice, how about Iain Mc Dirmuid, with some added reverb
post-production?
Phaze
on the "idle speculaiton" ID
"... all the usual rules of uprising realpolitik still
apply, especially that concerning the peculiar dialectic
of dissent which - simply stated - dictates that in all
but the most dedicatedly repressive hegemonies, if in a
sizable population there are one hundred rebels, all of
whom are then rounded up and killed, the number of rebels
present at the end of the day is not zero, and not even
one hundred, but two hundred or three hundred or more;
an equation based on human nature which seems often to
baffle the military and political mind. "
Ian M Banks - A Few Notes on the Culture
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| Re: [R] Hogfather cast list. [message #261078 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 20:49 |
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Also Sprach :
> On Mon, 01 May 2006 20:41:05 +0200, Francesco Bochicchio
> <bockman [at] virgilio.it> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>It does not say who is going to play Susan ...
>>
>>> ...
>>> -Joss Whedon
>>
>>SMG would have been a decent Susan, I think ...
>>
>>
>>
> I dunno, we had this debate in the OU pratchett confernce,
> I'd go for Chirstina Ricci (circa adams family stylee), or
> perhaps Thora Birch (just a reprise of her characters in
> The Hole and American Beauty. Didn't Terry give the
> impression that Susan is not THAT attractive?
Not that I recall. Certainly he seems happy with the fact that
Kidby's Susan is (in The Man's own words) "a bit of a babe".
http://www.paulkidby.com/posters/index.html
> so perhaps
> I've disqualified both my candidates ah well. BTW anyone
> know who's playing the voice of death? I beleive Ian
> Richardson is playing the "guy in costume" bit (per imdb)
> but I'm not sure who's doing the voice, how about Iain Mc
> Dirmuid, with some added reverb post-production?
I'm pretty sure Richardson is doing the voice and the physical
presence will be CGI. I can't imagine them hiring a voice like
Richardson's and not using it.
--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"[Wolverine]'s in every book. I think he just joined
the JLA, and for some reason he's in the revised
Penguin edition of Little Dorrit." -Joss Whedon
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| Re: [R] Hogfather cast list. [message #261088 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 21:40 |
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Daibhid Ceanaideach:
>
> I'm pretty sure Richardson is doing the voice and the physical
> presence will be CGI. I can't imagine them hiring a voice like
> Richardson's and not using it.
They've gone to some trouble with the costume for their placeholder
guy, then: http://www.paulkidby.com/news/index.html
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| Re: [R] Hogfather cast list. [message #261096 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 22:14 |
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Also Sprach Jens Ayton:
> Daibhid Ceanaideach:
>>
>> I'm pretty sure Richardson is doing the voice and the
>> physical presence will be CGI. I can't imagine them hiring
>> a voice like Richardson's and not using it.
>
> They've gone to some trouble with the costume for their
> placeholder
> guy, then: http://www.paulkidby.com/news/index.html
I sit corrected.
Anybody recognise Susan? Apart, that is, from the fact she
looks exactly like Susan...
--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"[Wolverine]'s in every book. I think he just joined
the JLA, and for some reason he's in the revised
Penguin edition of Little Dorrit." -Joss Whedon
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| Re: Hogfather cast list. [message #261120 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 01:02 |
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>
> I sit corrected.
>
> Anybody recognise Susan? Apart, that is, from the fact she
> looks exactly like Susan...
Perhaps you should only be partially seated. From what I've managed to
glean clothing is notoriously difficult to render in CGI. Perhaps death
will only be partially CGI ( the eyes/ skull) while the rest is shot
live with a stand in.
As far as who the actress is, your guess is as good as mine.
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| Re: Hogfather cast list. [message #261136 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 02:04 |
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jason [at] dgeypscun.com wrote:
>>I sit corrected.
>>
>>Anybody recognise Susan? Apart, that is, from the fact she
>>looks exactly like Susan...
>
>
>
> Perhaps you should only be partially seated. From what I've managed to
> glean clothing is notoriously difficult to render in CGI.
Yes.
Oooooh, yes. I've been trying to wrap my head around it for ages, and it
really hits the processor hard.
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| Re: Hogfather cast list. [message #261142 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 02:57 |
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jason [at] dgeypscun.com jason [at] dgeypscun.com wrote in
<1146524571.882449.134030 [at] j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
> >
> > I sit corrected.
> >
> > Anybody recognise Susan? Apart, that is, from the fact she
> > looks exactly like Susan...
>
> Perhaps you should only be partially seated. From what I've managed to
> glean clothing is notoriously difficult to render in CGI. Perhaps death
> will only be partially CGI ( the eyes/ skull) while the rest is shot
> live with a stand in.
>
> As far as who the actress is, your guess is as good as mine.
>
She's a young actress who's done some top rate stage performances in the
last year or so but very little film or TV. I haven't seen her myself but
I've heard very good things from people who have and whose opinion I
respect. I'm expecting her to be superb.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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| Re: Hogfather cast list. [message #261238 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 01:09 |
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8'FED wrote:
> http://www.nndb.com/people/814/000101511/
Nationality: English?
Beg pardon??
It's Nationality: UK British, Place of birth: England.
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JGH
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| Re: Hogfather cast list. [message #261245 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 01:46 |
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jgh [at] arcade.demon.co.uk wrote:
> 8'FED wrote:
>
>>http://www.nndb.com/people/814/000101511/
>
>
> Nationality: English?
> Beg pardon??
> It's Nationality: UK British, Place of birth: England.
Not necessarily.
I'm English, for instance. Nationality depends mainly on context and
personal opinion, after all...
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| Re: [I] Hogfather cast list. [message #261291 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 10:51 |
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Torak wrote:
> jgh [at] arcade.demon.co.uk wrote:
>> 8'FED wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.nndb.com/people/814/000101511/
>>
>>
>> Nationality: English?
>> Beg pardon??
>> It's Nationality: UK British, Place of birth: England.
>
> Not necessarily.
>
> I'm English, for instance. Nationality depends mainly on context and
> personal opinion, after all...
Er... the definition of "nationality" depends on context, but is largely
synonymous with legal citizenship, and the nations considered valid are
expected to be sovereign states. I'd say your nationality is UK
British, and your ethnicity is English, in that case.
As a rule of thumb, your nationality is what it says in your passport.
Orjan
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| Re: [I] Hogfather cast list. [message #261306 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 13:13 |
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Orjan Westin said:
> Torak wrote:
>> jgh [at] arcade.demon.co.uk wrote:
>>> 8'FED wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.nndb.com/people/814/000101511/
>>>
>>>
>>> Nationality: English?
>>> Beg pardon??
>>> It's Nationality: UK British, Place of birth: England.
>>
>> Not necessarily.
>>
>> I'm English, for instance. Nationality depends mainly on context and
>> personal opinion, after all...
>
> Er... the definition of "nationality" depends on context, but is largely
> synonymous with legal citizenship,
Constitutionally, AFAIK, the British are subjects. Citizens are supposed to
live in cities - although not all of them (let alone their governments)
seem to realise this, darn them - and a great many British people do not
live in cities.
This is the primary meaning given to "citizen" in my dictionary. The
secondary meaning is "member of a state", which - after further
dictionary-delving - seems to indicate that the Lego on my sons' bedroom
floor is a citizen (because it is a "member" - i.e. a distinct part of a
whole - of a "state" - i.e. a condition; the condition, in this case, being
untidiness).
> and the nations considered valid are
> expected to be sovereign states.
England *is* a sovereign state, as far as I'm concerned. The fact that we
have colonised the rest of the British Isles is a minor detail.
> As a rule of thumb, your nationality is what it says in your passport.
So people without passports, perhaps because they have never felt the need
to acquire one, have no nationality?
--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
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| Re: [I] Hogfather cast list. [message #261310 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 13:24 |
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Also Sprach Richard Heathfield:
> England *is* a sovereign state, as far as I'm concerned.
> The fact that we have colonised the rest of the British
> Isles is a minor detail.
Um, I hate to be picky about this, but *our* king took over
*your* country...
--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"[Wolverine]'s in every book. I think he just joined
the JLA, and for some reason he's in the revised
Penguin edition of Little Dorrit." -Joss Whedon
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| Re: [I] Hogfather cast list. [message #261322 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 14:20 |
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Richard Heathfield wrote:
> Orjan Westin said:
>
>> Torak wrote:
>>> jgh [at] arcade.demon.co.uk wrote:
>>>> 8'FED wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nndb.com/people/814/000101511/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nationality: English?
>>>> Beg pardon??
>>>> It's Nationality: UK British, Place of birth: England.
>>>
>>> Not necessarily.
>>>
>>> I'm English, for instance. Nationality depends mainly on context and
>>> personal opinion, after all...
>>
>> Er... the definition of "nationality" depends on context, but is
>> largely synonymous with legal citizenship,
>
> Constitutionally, AFAIK, the British are subjects. Citizens are
> supposed to live in cities - although not all of them (let alone
> their governments) seem to realise this, darn them - and a great many
> British people do not live in cities.
>
> This is the primary meaning given to "citizen" in my dictionary.
The ordering of meanings in dictionaries is often not indicative of
which is the best fit in any given context.
> The
> secondary meaning is "member of a state", which - after further
> dictionary-delving - seems to indicate that the Lego on my sons'
> bedroom floor is a citizen (because it is a "member" - i.e. a
> distinct part of a whole - of a "state" - i.e. a condition; the
> condition, in this case, being untidiness).
I'm laughing so hard my ancestors are amused. Didn't we discuss the
meaning of "obtuse" recently? I assume your dictionary also includes in
the "state" entry a definition something along the lines of "A body
politic, especially one constituting a nation".
>> and the nations considered valid are
>> expected to be sovereign states.
>
> England *is* a sovereign state, as far as I'm concerned.
No, it's not. Not only is it subject to EU, it is also ruled by Scots,
Welsh and Northern Irish. If the MPs from the non-English regions of UK
were prohibited from affecting the policies in force in England, you
might have a point, but the UK is not a federation or union of states.
> The fact
> that we have colonised the rest of the British Isles is a minor
> detail.
s/colonised/subjugated
Of course, as an Englishman, you know how that feels, since your
ancestors were conquered and made largely politically powerless by the
Normans.
>> As a rule of thumb, your nationality is what it says in your
>> passport.
>
> So people without passports, perhaps because they have never felt the
> need to acquire one, have no nationality?
No. If you don't have a passport, my statement is obviously
inapplicable. There are a number of legally official places where your
nationality is stated, and you can find out from those what it is if you
are uncertain.
Should you get a passport, those sources will provide the information
used to describe your nationality, but the information exist regardless
of whether you have a passport or not.
I just used "passport" as a shorthand for this documentation, as that's
an obvious place to find the information.
Orjan
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| Re: [I] Hogfather cast list. [message #261329 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 14:52 |
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Daibhid Ceanaideach said:
> Also Sprach Richard Heathfield:
>
>> England *is* a sovereign state, as far as I'm concerned.
>> The fact that we have colonised the rest of the British
>> Isles is a minor detail.
>
> Um, I hate to be picky about this, but *our* king took over
> *your* country...
Kings are of little consequence when everyone knows God is an Englishman,
currently living in Gloucestershire.
--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
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| Re: [I] Hogfather cast list. [message #261330 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 14:55 |
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Orjan Westin said:
> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>
>> Constitutionally, AFAIK, the British are subjects. Citizens are
>> supposed to live in cities - although not all of them (let alone
>> their governments) seem to realise this, darn them - and a great many
>> British people do not live in cities.
>>
>> This is the primary meaning given to "citizen" in my dictionary.
>
> The ordering of meanings in dictionaries is often not indicative of
> which is the best fit in any given context.
Shhhhh!
>> The
>> secondary meaning is "member of a state", which - after further
>> dictionary-delving - seems to indicate that the Lego on my sons'
>> bedroom floor is a citizen (because it is a "member" - i.e. a
>> distinct part of a whole - of a "state" - i.e. a condition; the
>> condition, in this case, being untidiness).
>
> I'm laughing so hard my ancestors are amused.
Then my work here is done.
>>> and the nations considered valid are
>>> expected to be sovereign states.
>>
>> England *is* a sovereign state, as far as I'm concerned.
>
> No, it's not. Not only is it subject to EU, it is also ruled by Scots,
> Welsh and Northern Irish.
Over my de... over m... ov... ehhhh... not as far as I'm concerned, it's
not! Hah! I shall fight them at the county border! I shall fight them on
the motorway! I shall fight them on the ring road! I shall fight them in
the shopping mall! I shall fight them on the pavement outside the pub! I
shall never surrender!
--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
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| Re: [I] Hogfather cast list. [message #261345 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 16:50 |
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On 3 May 2006 11:24:09 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach
<daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com> wrote:
>Also Sprach Richard Heathfield:
>
>> England *is* a sovereign state, as far as I'm concerned.
>> The fact that we have colonised the rest of the British
>> Isles is a minor detail.
>
>Um, I hate to be picky about this, but *our* king took over
>*your* country...
Illigitimately. hasn't been a proper king since the war of the roses.
The actual proper monarch lives out in austrailia, on a farm.
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| Re: [I] Hogfather cast list. [message #261349 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 17:58 |
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in article 4br9p5F130venU1 [at] individual.net, Orjan Westin at
nospam [at] cunobaros.com wrote on 03/05/2006 1:51 AM:
> Torak wrote:
>> jgh [at] arcade.demon.co.uk wrote:
>>> 8'FED wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.nndb.com/people/814/000101511/
>>>
>>>
>>> Nationality: English?
>>> Beg pardon??
>>> It's Nationality: UK British, Place of birth: England.
>>
>> Not necessarily.
>>
>> I'm English, for instance. Nationality depends mainly on context and
>> personal opinion, after all...
>
> Er... the definition of "nationality" depends on context, but is largely
> synonymous with legal citizenship, and the nations considered valid are
> expected to be sovereign states. I'd say your nationality is UK
> British, and your ethnicity is English, in that case.
>
> As a rule of thumb, your nationality is what it says in your passport.
I agree with Torak. My citizenships are UK and Canadian, my nationalities
are English and Welsh.
--
Lesley Weston.
Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
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Mi, 03 Mai 2006 18:01 |
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in article Xns97B87E38A4DB6daibhid [at] 130.133.1.4, Daibhid Ceanaideach at
daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com wrote on 03/05/2006 4:24 AM:
> Also Sprach Richard Heathfield:
>
>> England *is* a sovereign state, as far as I'm concerned.
>> The fact that we have colonised the rest of the British
>> Isles is a minor detail.
>
> Um, I hate to be picky about this, but *our* king took over
> *your* country...
Only after a Welshman had taken over England and established his line. And
later the whole lot was taken over by a Dutchman and soon after by a German.
--
Lesley Weston.
Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
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flobert:
> Daibhid Ceanaideach:
>>
>> Um, I hate to be picky about this, but *our* king took over
>> *your* country...
>
> Illigitimately.
Er, so? What are you going to do, complain to the UN? Illegitimately
is the One True Way to take over countries...
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Also Sprach flobert:
> On 3 May 2006 11:24:09 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach
> <daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com> wrote:
>
>>Also Sprach Richard Heathfield:
>>
>>> England *is* a sovereign state, as far as I'm concerned.
>>> The fact that we have colonised the rest of the British
>>> Isles is a minor detail.
>>
>>Um, I hate to be picky about this, but *our* king took over
>>*your* country...
>
> Illigitimately. hasn't been a proper king since the war of
> the roses. The actual proper monarch lives out in
> austrailia, on a farm.
"The true king was the one who got crowned." -Feet of Clay.
The rules of primogeniture weren't formalised until 1689, long
after the War of the Roses.
And what, from a primogeniture point-of-view, made Richard III
a "proper" king? His descent from the Confessor's French
bastard cousin?
--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"[Wolverine]'s in every book. I think he just joined
the JLA, and for some reason he's in the revised
Penguin edition of Little Dorrit." -Joss Whedon
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In a speech called Xns97B87E38A4DB6daibhid [at] 130.133.1.4,
Daibhid Ceanaideach uttered thus:
> Also Sprach Richard Heathfield:
>
> > England *is* a sovereign state, as far as I'm concerned.
> > The fact that we have colonised the rest of the British
> > Isles is a minor detail.
>
> Um, I hate to be picky about this, but *our* king took over
> *your* country...
Actually, we're all ruled by the Channel Islands.
(Information gained from the back of a postcard, which cites a 6th
century AD treaty between the ruler of Guernsey and some guy who had a
descendant who got shot in the eye at the Battle of Hastings. The
treaty said something like the ruler who died first would cede his
kingdom to the other, and since Harold's great^x grandad died first
whilst still ruling only a few square miles in the Thames Valley,
technically the whole of GB is owned by Guernsey)
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Daibhid Ceanaideach posted:
> Also Sprach Richard Heathfield:
>
>> England *is* a sovereign state, as far as I'm concerned.
>> The fact that we have colonised the rest of the British
>> Isles is a minor detail.
>
> Um, I hate to be picky about this, but *our* king took over
> *your* country...
>
I *really* hate to do this to you, but you got a royal family
on loan from us.
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Thomas =:-)
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| Re: [I] Hogfather cast list. [message #261405 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 21:57 |
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Richard Heathfield posted:
....
> So people without passports, perhaps because they have
> never felt the need to acquire one, have no nationality?
They might at least be hard pressed to prove having one.
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Ciao
Thomas =:-)
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| Re: [I] Hogfather cast list. [message #261407 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 22:34 |
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Also Sprach Thomas Zahr:
> Daibhid Ceanaideach posted:
>
>> Also Sprach Richard Heathfield:
>>
>>> England *is* a sovereign state, as far as I'm concerned.
>>> The fact that we have colonised the rest of the British
>>> Isles is a minor detail.
>>
>> Um, I hate to be picky about this, but *our* king took
>> over *your* country...
>>
>
> I *really* hate to do this to you, but you got a royal
> family on loan from us.
This is, of course, true. It's also true that England got more
of a say in this than Scotland did.
--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"[Wolverine]'s in every book. I think he just joined
the JLA, and for some reason he's in the revised
Penguin edition of Little Dorrit." -Joss Whedon
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| Re: [I] Hogfather cast list. [message #261431 ] |
Do, 04 Mai 2006 01:09 |
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 21:58:42 +0200, Thomas Zahr wrote in
<Xns97B8DF93716AFThomasZahrfreenetde [at] ID-179574.user.uni-berlin.de>,
seen in alt.fan.pratchett:
> Daibhid Ceanaideach posted:
> > Also Sprach Richard Heathfield:
> >
> >> England *is* a sovereign state, as far as I'm concerned.
> >> The fact that we have colonised the rest of the British
> >> Isles is a minor detail.
> >
> > Um, I hate to be picky about this, but *our* king took over
> > *your* country...
>
> I *really* hate to do this to you, but you got a royal family
> on loan from us.
Having spent too long yesterday assisting some of a group of 30
coppers to look in every possible nook and cranny of a railway station
(because, for reasons best known, railway police don't bother carrying
their railway standard keys when searching premises, only when going
to irritate staff on trains), and watching other coppers delve down
manholes and then seal them shut with the aid of a blowtorch, all
because HRH Jug-Eared-Pratt, sorry, the heir to the British throne,
was going to pay a flying visit to look at a car park (I jest not), I
have to ask...
Would you like them back?
--
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| Re: [I] Hogfather cast list. [message #261432 ] |
Do, 04 Mai 2006 01:24 |
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Ross wrote:=20
> all
> because HRH Jug-Eared-Pratt, sorry, the heir to the British throne,
> was going to pay a flying visit to look at a car park (I jest not), I
> have to ask...
>=20
> Would you like them back?
>=20
Only if you take our end[1] of the Hannover family in return. Trust me,=20
you're better of as it is.=20
Michael=20
[1] him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_August_V%
2C_Prince_of_Hanover
From that article's "recent events" section:=20
The Prince of Hanover became notorious when, on January 10=3D3F11, 1998, he=
=20
assaulted a journalist with an umbrella who was filming at the entrance=20
to his residence. He agreed to a fine of 90,000 DM in a settlement.
On January 14, 2000, while drunk, he used brass knuckles to injure=20
another German citizen at a resort in Kenya. In 2004, the Regional Court=20
of Hanover (Landgericht Hannover) convicted him of grievous bodily harm=20
because of this event. The Prince had to pay a fine of =A4445,000; the=20
court advised him that he would likely be committed to an alcoholism=20
clinic in the case of a repeat offense.
At the Expo 2000 in Hannover, he caused offence by urinating against the=20
Turkish Pavilion in broad daylight.
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| Re: [I] Hogfather cast list. [message #261439 ] |
Do, 04 Mai 2006 03:32 |
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On 3 May 2006 16:27:13 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach
<daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com> wrote:
>Also Sprach flobert:
>
>> On 3 May 2006 11:24:09 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach
>> <daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Also Sprach Richard Heathfield:
>>>
>>>> England *is* a sovereign state, as far as I'm concerned.
>>>> The fact that we have colonised the rest of the British
>>>> Isles is a minor detail.
>>>
>>>Um, I hate to be picky about this, but *our* king took over
>>>*your* country...
>>
>> Illigitimately. hasn't been a proper king since the war of
>> the roses. The actual proper monarch lives out in
>> austrailia, on a farm.
>
>"The true king was the one who got crowned." -Feet of Clay.
Also not true, There was a King Louis by that reckoning, and much as i
check the royal list of monarchs, i see no mention of such.
>
>The rules of primogeniture weren't formalised until 1689, long
>after the War of the Roses.
that would be primogeniture, which was largely negated by the Statute
of Wills in 1540?
>
>And what, from a primogeniture point-of-view, made Richard III
>a "proper" king? His descent from the Confessor's French
>bastard cousin?
ooh, except that such a 'law' never did apply to the king.. Second it
wasn't Richard III, but Edward IV, (There was Edward IV, then Edward V
and THEN Richard III) and he was illigitimate, and thus unable to be
king. I forget the chain of succession, but it ends with the 14th Earl
of Loudon.
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| Re: [I] Hogfather cast list. [message #261452 ] |
Do, 04 Mai 2006 09:46 |
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=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Michael_J=2E_Sch=FClke?= posted:
> Ross wrote:
>> all
>> because HRH Jug-Eared-Pratt, sorry, the heir to the
>> British throne, was going to pay a flying visit to look at
>> a car park (I jest not), I have to ask...
>>
>> Would you like them back?
>>
> Only if you take our end[1] of the Hannover family in
> return. Trust me, you're better of as it is.
>
Wot he said
--
Ciao
Thomas =:-)
<www.kochkinder.de>
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| Re: [I] Hogfather cast list. [message #261455 ] |
Do, 04 Mai 2006 10:27 |
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Michael J. Schülke:
>
> The Prince of Hanover became notorious when, on January 10=3F11, 1998, he
> assaulted a journalist with an umbrella who was filming at the entrance
> to his residence. He agreed to a fine of 90,000 DM in a settlement.
I wish I could send my umbrella out to guard my door.
--
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| Re: [R] Hogfather cast list. [message #261476 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 14:31 |
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"8'FED" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote in message
news:e34qar$i5m$1 [at] mud.stack.nl...
> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>
>> Joss Ackland! And David Warner!!
>>
>> http://www.c21media.net/news/detail.asp?area=4&article=3 0148
>
> I did Google image searches for all the actors named (the only one I
> _know_ is Jason) and here's what I came up with:
>
> http://www.nndb.com/people/814/000101511/
> http://www.newspapersoc.org.uk/Documents/Events&Awards/L NW-05/quotes.htm
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/hustle/photogallery_marc_warren.s html
> http://www.my-wc.com/celebs/david_warner/
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/n/nicholascraigsi n_1299002314.shtml
>
> I've tried to choose the best photographs I can find in light of the
> attributed roles.
>
> Adrian.
>
thanks for that Adrian.
Teatime and Ridcully are unbelieveably well cast hien?
Lord Downey is more a generic sort of look and to my shame I can't remember
the other character (been some years since I read the book)
Louise
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| Re: [I] Hogfather cast list. [message #261629 ] |
Do, 04 Mai 2006 20:28 |
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Also Sprach flobert:
> On 3 May 2006 16:27:13 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach
> <daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com> wrote:
>
>>Also Sprach flobert:
>>
>>> On 3 May 2006 11:24:09 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach
>>> <daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Also Sprach Richard Heathfield:
>>>>
>>>>> England *is* a sovereign state, as far as I'm
>>>>> concerned. The fact that we have colonised the rest of
>>>>> the British Isles is a minor detail.
>>>>
>>>>Um, I hate to be picky about this, but *our* king took
>>>>over *your* country...
>>>
>>> Illigitimately. hasn't been a proper king since the war
>>> of the roses. The actual proper monarch lives out in
>>> austrailia, on a farm.
>>
>>"The true king was the one who got crowned." -Feet of Clay.
>
> Also not true, There was a King Louis by that reckoning,
> and much as i check the royal list of monarchs, i see no
> mention of such.
Fair point.
>>The rules of primogeniture weren't formalised until 1689,
>>long after the War of the Roses.
>
> that would be primogeniture, which was largely negated by
> the Statute of Wills in 1540?
I'll have to check that, I didn't think the Statute of Wills
related directly to the question of the royal succession.
--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"[Wolverine]'s in every book. I think he just joined
the JLA, and for some reason he's in the revised
Penguin edition of Little Dorrit." -Joss Whedon
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| Re: [I] Hogfather cast list. [message #261723 ] |
Fr, 05 Mai 2006 11:30 |
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"Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote in message
news:4brlkuF12v4n5U1 [at] individual.net...
> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> Orjan Westin said:
>>
>>> Torak wrote:
>>>> jgh [at] arcade.demon.co.uk wrote:
>>>>> 8'FED wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.nndb.com/people/814/000101511/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nationality: English?
>>>>> Beg pardon??
>>>>> It's Nationality: UK British, Place of birth: England.
>>>>
>>>> Not necessarily.
>>>>
>>>> I'm English, for instance. Nationality depends mainly on context and
>>>> personal opinion, after all...
>>>
>>> Er... the definition of "nationality" depends on context, but is
>>> largely synonymous with legal citizenship,
>>
>> Constitutionally, AFAIK, the British are subjects. Citizens are
>> supposed to live in cities - although not all of them (let alone
>> their governments) seem to realise this, darn them - and a great many
>> British people do not live in cities.
>>
>> This is the primary meaning given to "citizen" in my dictionary.
>
> The ordering of meanings in dictionaries is often not indicative of which
> is the best fit in any given context.
>
>> The
>> secondary meaning is "member of a state", which - after further
>> dictionary-delving - seems to indicate that the Lego on my sons'
>> bedroom floor is a citizen (because it is a "member" - i.e. a
>> distinct part of a whole - of a "state" - i.e. a condition; the
>> condition, in this case, being untidiness).
>
> I'm laughing so hard my ancestors are amused. Didn't we discuss the
> meaning of "obtuse" recently? I assume your dictionary also includes in
> the "state" entry a definition something along the lines of "A body
> politic, especially one constituting a nation".
>
>>> and the nations considered valid are
>>> expected to be sovereign states.
>>
>> England *is* a sovereign state, as far as I'm concerned.
>
> No, it's not. Not only is it subject to EU, it is also ruled by Scots,
> Welsh and Northern Irish. If the MPs from the non-English regions of UK
> were prohibited from affecting the policies in force in England, you might
> have a point, but the UK is not a federation or union of states.
>
Not only that but aren't there lots of British who are none of the above,
from former colonies.
Most of my family are entitled to British passports on fairly tenuous post
colonial grounds. And we (Rep of Ireland) haven't been part of UK for quite
some time. *not* going to discuss actual dates as the sands of Irish history
are shifting from Haigiography to Revisonism to Postrevisionism quicker than
your tea cools.
Louise
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| Re: [I] Hogfather cast list. [message #261741 ] |
Fr, 05 Mai 2006 17:54 |
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 21:32:55 -0400, flobert wrote in
<k6li529r9i627ug2qo17jnu9aurfo1aka9 [at] 4ax.com>, seen in
alt.fan.pratchett:
> On 3 May 2006 16:27:13 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach
> <daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com> wrote:
> >Also Sprach flobert:
> >> On 3 May 2006 11:24:09 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach
> >> <daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com> wrote:
> >>>Also Sprach Richard Heathfield:
> >>>
> >>>> England *is* a sovereign state, as far as I'm concerned.
> >>>> The fact that we have colonised the rest of the British
> >>>> Isles is a minor detail.
> >>>
> >>>Um, I hate to be picky about this, but *our* king took over
> >>>*your* country...
> >>
> >> Illigitimately. hasn't been a proper king since the war of
> >> the roses. The actual proper monarch lives out in
> >> austrailia, on a farm.
> >
> >"The true king was the one who got crowned." -Feet of Clay.
>
> Also not true, There was a King Louis by that reckoning, and much as i
> check the royal list of monarchs, i see no mention of such.
There was indeed a King Louis (for a short while), but in true English
style he has carefully been airbrushed from history.
He *was* a bloody Frenchie after all, donchakno?
--
Ross, in Lincoln, most likely being cynical or sarcastic, as ever.
Reply-to will bounce. Replace the junk-trap with my name to e-mail me.
Demonstration of poor photography: <http://www.rosspix.me.uk> - updated with Czech photos
AD: <http://www.merciacharters.co.uk> for European charters occasionally gripped by me
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| Re: [I] Hogfather cast list. [message #261742 ] |
Fr, 05 Mai 2006 17:54 |
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On Thu, 4 May 2006 01:24:09 +0200, Michael J. Schülke wrote in
<MPG.1ec35a064df7992e98982f [at] news.individual.de>, seen in
alt.fan.pratchett:
> Ross wrote:
> > all
> > because HRH Jug-Eared-Pratt, sorry, the heir to the British throne,
> > was going to pay a flying visit to look at a car park (I jest not), I
> > have to ask...
> >
> > Would you like them back?
>
> Only if you take our end[1] of the Hannover family in return. Trust me,
> you're better of as it is.
As long as we can treat him as something irrelevant to the running of
the country, we'll take him. Well, I will anyway.
[...]
> [1] him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_August_V%
> 2C_Prince_of_Hanover
>
> From that article's "recent events" section:
>
> The Prince of Hanover became notorious when, on January 10=3F11, 1998, he
> assaulted a journalist with an umbrella who was filming at the entrance
> to his residence. [...]
> On January 14, 2000, while drunk, he used brass knuckles to injure
> another German citizen at a resort in Kenya. [...]
> At the Expo 2000 in Hannover, he caused offence by urinating against the
> Turkish Pavilion in broad daylight.
Sounds like just the person we need to keep the tabloids happy.
And just the person to justify never allowing the royal family any
role in public life whatsoever.
--
Ross, in Lincoln, most likely being cynical or sarcastic, as ever.
Reply-to will bounce. Replace the junk-trap with my name to e-mail me.
Demonstration of poor photography: <http://www.rosspix.me.uk> - updated with Czech photos
AD: <http://www.merciacharters.co.uk> for European charters occasionally gripped by me
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| Re: [I] Hogfather cast list. [message #261743 ] |
Fr, 05 Mai 2006 17:54 |
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On Fri, 5 May 2006 10:30:02 +0100, Louise Mac Mahon wrote in
<4c0t0bF13kcqfU1 [at] individual.net>, seen in alt.fan.pratchett:
> Most of my family are entitled to British passports on fairly tenuous post
> colonial grounds.
Which sort of British passports, AAMOI? Citizen, subject, dependent? I
think there might even be another variant...
--
Ross, in Lincoln, most likely being cynical or sarcastic, as ever.
Reply-to will bounce. Replace the junk-trap with my name to e-mail me.
Demonstration of poor photography: <http://www.rosspix.me.uk> - updated with Czech photos
AD: <http://www.merciacharters.co.uk> for European charters occasionally gripped by me
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| Re: [I] Hogfather cast list. [message #261746 ] |
Fr, 05 Mai 2006 18:38 |
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Ross:
>
> Which sort of British passports, AAMOI? Citizen, subject, dependent? I
> think there might even be another variant...
There are several others, such as British Overseas Citizen, although
ISTR that one's not being done any more. There were some special cases
for Hong Kong, too.
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| Re: [I] Hogfather cast list. [message #261747 ] |
Fr, 05 Mai 2006 18:39 |
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On 2006-05-03 06:13:59 -0500, Richard Heathfield
<invalid [at] invalid.invalid> said:
>> As a rule of thumb, your nationality is what it says in your passport.
>
> So people without passports, perhaps because they have never felt the
> need to acquire one, have no nationality?
Not so much as never having felt the need for one, but not being
granted a passport would definitely classify a denizen of a
nation-state as not being a full citizen.
--
My computer is so fast it can execute an infinite loop in 3 seconds.
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